as you know, bill, i represented oklahoma city. i'm a city guy. you know, to me, food comes from a grocery store and not, you know. i don't know anything about farming. but because i was a republican that won in a heavily democratic district, when we had a state legislature that was dominated by the democrats, you know, they redrew my district so that i was now representing wheat farmers and cattle ranchers and small town merchants. and i thought, "well, look what they did to me." but they didn't. they did it to those people who were entitled to be represented by somebody who could speak for them. you have to take away the ability of the parties to draw district lines in a way that take away representation from the citizens. >> you say take away the parties' control over redistricting. >> thirteen states have now done that. thirteen states have said, "we will put together non-partisan independent redistricting commissions." >> how? >> the independent commissions are the only way to do it. now, every state does it differently. so, what you have --